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An Open Letter to the Alpharetta Council

The following is an open letter emailed to the Alpharetta City Council and MACTEC Engineering regarding the proposed 2030 Comprehensive Plan.

Dear Council Members,

I write about Alpharetta and local issues in a blog called Roots in Alpharetta. I recently studied the 2030 Comprehensive Plan from MACTEC and attended the open house on March 22nd. I applaud the Council for being forward thinkers and for considering something like this. The plan does a good job identifying Alpharetta’s neighborhoods and their key features. However, I have some deep concerns.

The plan reclassifies large swaths of land into high density or mixed use development (which could support high density). In some cases low density areas are moved straight into the high density category. Recent zoning decisions by the Council suggest a willingness to approve densities up to the maximum allowed, even in mixed use. The proposed changes would encourage that to continue, adding many thousands of condominiums.

Secondly, many of the other concepts discussed in the plan seem to suggest an endorsement of the concept of New Urbanism. The plan would dramatically alter the character of this area. Most residents relocated here because of a safe suburban environment, robust economy and outstanding schools. An urban environment with high density housing is not the will of the people who live, work and play in Alpharetta. That belief has recently been reinforced in my mind. I’ve observed very few speaking publicly in favor of high density (with the exception of those in the political or business community).

The 2030 plan begs this question… Is it the will of the City Council to create a high density, urban environment for Alpharetta? If the answer is yes then let’s have a frank discussion with the community on this very topic. If the answer is no then wholesale changes need to be made to this comprehensive plan.

Thanks for considering what I have to say. I invite you to join the conversation already taking place online. These issues are discussed not only on my blog but on several others both pro and con. I’d be happy to share links on your request. And I offer kudos to Councilman Kennedy for his past participation.


S. Lee Guy

My Density Has Brought Me To You

My density has brought me to you. Oh, what I meant to say was… I’m your density. I mean… your destiny.
-George McFly, Back to the Future, 1985

Last week I attended the dog and pony show public meeting for the Alpharetta 2030 vision. As I was leaving I bumped into a city councilman I knew and discussed a few things. Before long the conversation turned towards the topic of density. He asked me how much density I thought was too much. It put me a little off balance. It’s such a simple question, right? I knew I didn’t like the densities at Peridot or the other large mixed use projects being approved. A Supreme Court judge once said of defining obscenity, “I know it when I see it.” That’s a lot like how I’ve felt with high density.

Density Is Easy To Measure

The councilman reminded me that density is easy to measure. It’s simple arithmetic… the number of residential units divided by acreage. He said that some would balk at densities above a few per acre, what you’d see in a typical cul-de-sac neighborhood.  I’m sure my threshold is slightly above that.

Density Is Hard To Measure

As simple as density is to measure, it’s easy to manipulate. Peridot is approved for 470 condos. They asked for over 500. They have 47 acres of land. That gives them a density of exactly 10 per acre. (A perfectly round number? Coincidence?) So how is this difficult to measure? Because the denominator of the fraction is often inflated, making the overall density smaller. Peridot’s 47 acres includes a lot of land that is either not suitable for improvements (greenspace, a lake, roads, etc) or has office or retail use. In fact, only 12.8 acres of the 47 total acres will have residential use at Peridot. If you use that number in the denominator of our fraction you’ll get a staggering density of over 36 units per acre.

So I left the meeting last week and began to drive home. As I was driving I realized my biggest mistake. I didn’t reverse the question on the councilman. How much density is too much for you? After all, it’s easy to measure, right? Where do you draw the line? At what point do you say “that’s too much!” Or is there a point? And while we’re at it, how do you measure density? Are we using total land or the footprint of the residential?

So let me open the question to my blog readers. How much density is too much? Post your answer in the comments. I know a few current and former councilmen read my blog. Feel free to use this space and and let us know your density threshold. I’d also suggest throwing this question at candidates for mayor and the open council positions. Do they have the guts to stand behind a number, or will they chicken out like I did. “I know it when I see it.”


An Alpharetta Lament

Before I get into my lament, I first have a confession to make. I don’t live within the political boundaries of the city of Alpharetta. I write a blog about Alpharetta, so what gives? I live just a short distance inside Forsyth County yet am still in the Alpahretta zip code of 30005. I spend the vast majority of my time south of McGinnis Ferry Road. That includes work, my son’s pre-school and my church (in which my family is very active). I suppose I have the best of both worlds; an Alpharetta lifestyle with none of the Fulton County taxes.

If my readers wish to discount anything I have to say about Alpharetta, especially politics, I would completely understand. I think I walk a fine line in writing about city politics considering I don’t have a vote. As such I try to stay on the periphery and will never suggest or endorse a candidate.

Only recently have I begun to pay attention to the happenings in Alpharetta city hall. The main reason for my focus is because I think Alpharetta about to make a change for the worse. Tuesday night’s unveiling of the 2030 vision is the closing act. I lament that the Alpharetta I’ve come to love won’t be the same for very long.

Alpharetta, a Mini-RTP

For one semester during my college years I worked a co-op job in the Research Triangle Park of North Carolina. I was with Nortel on their beautiful RTP campus. When I first discovered Alpharetta it reminded me a lot of RTP. There was a similar base of high tech companies. The research aspect isn’t exactly the same here as RTP draws from a huge pool of nearby colleges. Yet the corporate campus environment is very similar. Zoning kept both places beautiful with large buffers of natural trees surrounding medium-sized buildings. Never did any building really exceed the height of the native pine trees. Not far away were safe, upper middle class neighborhoods for families.

Alpharetta, a Mini-Perimeter

The 2030 vision of Alpharetta moves away from this Alpahretta that I’ve come to enjoy. It will make us feel more like the perimeter area of Sandy Springs and Dunwoody. High rise office buildings and condos will dot the landscape. Planners will tell you that this is alright since they are close to GA-400. At the perimeter every high rise is along GA-400 or I-285 (or both). The surface streets have been a disaster there for more than a decade. Commuters leaving the perimeter heading north may spend half their commute navigating surface roads before even getting onto GA-400. I fear this will happen in Alpharetta.

It Is Too Late to Reverse

The other thing I lament is that it is too late to do anything about this. The political reality is that the current Alpharetta City Council is unanimous in their desire to move in this direction. Unlike other suburban councils or county commissions, there seem to be no homeowner-friendly politicians currently in power. I hear none speaking out against density or height of buildings. And even with some members up for re-election this year, I doubt voters can flip the balance of power in a single election cycle.

It’s too late to reverse the zonings already on the books, namely Windward Mill, Prospect Park and Peridot. The North Point LCI is already set, with a downtown to follow and this 2030 vision which will be rubber stamped soon.

Sadly I think most in Alpharetta won’t become aware of this change until the enormous tower cranes appear, hoisting beams high into the sky. People will begin to ask, “What is this new construction going in at North Point?” Oh, that’s a 16 story office and condominium. It’ll be far too late to stop it then as it is too late to stop it even now.

So maybe Alpharetta residents will organize and rise up against these changes. But color be pessimistic, I think opportunity to stop this was years ago. The Alpharetta that attracted most of us won’t be the same in a few years. New Urbanism, as they call it, is here for good.

Photo Credit: Markhoward

If You Build It, He Will Come

Did you hear that whisper? “If you build it, he will come.” A lot of powerful people claim they don’t hear the voice, suggesting that perhaps those who do might be a bit loony. Nevertheless, they are building it, and eventually he will come.

I wanted one followup to last week’s MARTA article. The Field of Dreams analogy was something I couldn’t pass up. In case you’re not a fan of baseball movies, allow me to hold your hand through this. The baseball diamond in the corn field is high density development. Shoeless Joe Jackson is MARTA and Kevin Costner is being played by the Alpharetta City Council. If you build high density along GA-400, MARTA will come (or at the least will be very interested in coming). That part really isn’t up for debate. Who is hearing and responding to the voices? That no one will admit to.

What I’d like to see is for Alpharetta to take a stand on MARTA and act on it. It might be like how they roll in Milton…

If You Don’t Build It, He Won’t Come – Milton

If you don’t build sewer in Milton, density won’t come. It’s something I’ve written about and generally disagree with. They don’t wish to have high or even medium density in most of their city. The best way to accomplish this goal is to starve the density by taking away a food source. No sewer; no density. Right or wrong, at least Milton has taken a clear stand and they’re working towards that stated mission.

I don’t see this happening in Alpharetta. Does the City Council wish to have MARTA’s north line extended to Alpharetta? It’s a simple question. If the answer is yes, then say it and continue fueling it with very high density along GA-400. If the answer is no then let’s starve MARTA of its sustenance. But most of all, take a clear and unequivocal stand on MARTA expansion before the voters. The time for pussyfooting is over.

As an aside, today the Alpharetta City Council will vote to submit multiple transportation projects totaling $145 million to the Atlanta Regional Commission. These projects may be included in a 2012 penny sales tax referendum. Buried in the list of projects is $2.4 million to purchase the land reserved in the North Point LCI for the MARTA station at GA-400 and Encore Parkway. Alpharetta is building it. Let’s just admit is already!

Photo Credit: Scott Ehardt

A “Conspiracy” to Bring MARTA to Alpharetta?

Bust out your tinfoil hats and call Fox Mulder. There’s talk of a conspiracy and I’m not about to let this one get away without an article or two.

And I use the word “conspiracy” in quotes because it isn’t my choice of words. These are the words former Alpharetta councilman John Monson used in a comment over on The Patch. Monson says…

I do wish to say the reference to some “conspiracy” for the City to “bring MARTA to Alpharetta” by approving the MetLife project is completely unfounded.

Do I believe the MetLife/Peridot mixed use project was part of a conspiracy to bring MARTA to Alpharetta? No. On the contrary. I believe Peridot is part of a larger game plan to bring us MARTA high speed rail. It is not a conspiracy because it is being conducted out in the open for all to see. The problem is that not many are paying attention. Follow me on the story, as I see it.

MARTA’s North Line Study

Blogger Jimmy Gilvin leads a wild and crazy life. Nothing excites him more than wallowing in the appendices of MARTA documents; what might be the cure to insomnia for most. Jimmy, you need to get out more often my friend.

Nevertheless, Jimmy found a gem and reported on it back in February. MARTA has been interested in extending the north rail line past its current end at the North Springs station. That interest goes way back to 2000. Several years later they formed the North Line Transit Oriented Development (TOD) Study. Jimmy referenced the appendix A document which contains minutes from meetings held in and around Alpharetta in the latter half of 2006. In the meetings they talk of several “TOD” sites, all along the major exits of GA-400. The crown jewel TOD site would be at North Point Mall.

The minutes suggest that “developers should be incentivised to concentrate development and create higher densities.” They call for the TOD study areas to become LCI’s (a GRTA term for “livable centers initiative”), stating that “GRTA has experience with getting land use in place before land use will support transit options.”

The minutes also say that projects “need a local champion.” That one puzzled me a bit. I don’t see elected officials in Alpharetta wearing the hat of MARTA champion. Diane Wheeler of the City of Alpharetta was in on some of the meetings, but I don’t think she’s the official champion. No, the MARTA champion came in the form of…

The North Fulton CID

If you’re not familiar with the North Fulton CID (Community Improvement District), let me explain. This is a self-funded group of property owners in north Fulton. Most of them are large office and retail real estate owners. For example, MetLife’s Paul Folger is on the board. More on Mr. Folger later. Some of the CID’s more visible projects include the pretty landscaping currently being installed at Windward and GA-400.

But… not many months following MARTA’s completion of the North Line TOD Study, the North Fulton CID released their Blueprint North Fulton Document. In it they call for three nodes or “activity centers” along GA-400 at Haynes Bridge, Old Milton and Windward. Humm, sounds a lot like the TOD areas. These areas are there to “encourage developers” and city planners. There is talk of creating “mixed-use village centers” to “support an extension of transit from the North Springs MARTA station.” This blueprint document leads to the creation of…

The North Point Activity Center LCI

In April 2008 the Alpharetta City Council unanimously approved plans for this LCI. Its model is nearly identical to that proposed by the CID. The diagram used by the city is almost a straight copy/paste from the CID’s document. The only major difference I can find is that the city actually draws in the MARTA line and its station near Center Bridge Road and GA-400.

So if you’re scoring at home… we go from MARTA’s transit orientated development (TOD) area to the CID’s “Activity Center” concept to an LCI plan incorporated into the city’s comprehensive plan. That brings us all the way back to…


Was the Peridot project a conspiracy? No. It was just another piece of a puzzle that’s been building for five years. Now that the MetLife puzzle piece is in place, the picture is starting to emerge.

What about this conspiracy-sounding quote from Mark McKean in the AJC?

Alpharetta is probably the only city in the country where a developer walks into the Community Development Department requesting a simple stream variance, and he leaves with the promise to push through zoning for a high density, mixed-use project.

Remember that Paul Folger of MetLife sits on the board of the North Fulton CID. I seriously doubt he’s so naive as to not understand the long-laid plans that effected his property. Perhaps I am wrong.

Nevertheless, I believe it is in the best political interest of the Alpharetta City Council to let these plans continue to fly under the radar. As Jimmy put it … “Alpharettans are too busy raising their families and struggling to keep their heads above water to notice.” With campaigns about to gear up in Alpharetta this year, will voters make this an issue? I’d imagine a few local bloggers will.

Photo Credit: Drvec

Move to Forsyth, Get a Free Basement!

Last week I contrasted property tax across the various municipalities in the northern burbs. I anticipated it would be my most boring article to date, yet it triggered a decent little discussion. I thought I would follow-up that article with a second, my attempt to better quantify the differences. If you need a cure for insomnia, I’m sure this article will do the trick.

If you didn’t read my article last week, I’ll give you a review. For a home valued $300,000, the 2010 property tax  would be approximately $3,734 in north Fulton. That’s the average of the values for Alpharetta, Roswell, Milton and Johns Creek. They all were a little different but within a few bucks of each other. Let’s go with this figure today. In unincorporated Forsyth County, a $300,000 home would be taxed $2,881.


That’s what we’re talking about today, the difference between tax in Forsyth and Fulton. What’s $853 dollars a year? I thought I could do a present value calculation, taking the present value of a yearly cashflow of $853 out for a few dozen years. That would give a good, hard number showing the savings someone would get by moving to Forsyth County. Did I mention a cure for insomnia? Yeah, exactly. So I came up with a better way of visualizing this number, something with the financial equations already cooked into the numbers. Follow along…

Imagine two neighborhoods that are identical in almost every single way. Homes in these neighborhoods sell for about $300k, plus or minus a few bucks depending on the home. But imagine one of these neighborhoods is in south Forsyth County and the other just into Fulton County. I don’t see this as a big stretch; there are neighborhoods that lay upon McGinnis Ferry Road kinda like this. But work with me here. As my Economics professor used to say, all things being equal, right?

Let’s say you’re in the market for a house and you like these two neighborhoods. You will finance a large portion of your purchase using a 30 year conventional mortgage. Let’s say you’ll get a loan at an interest rate of 4.5% fixed. You’re also aware that your mortgage company is going to escrow your property taxes. You stumble upon a terrific local blog that contrasts local property taxes, so you have a real good idea what it’s gonna cost you. You learn of the $853 yearly premium you’d have to pay to live in Fulton County. You divide that by 12 months of escrow payments, which gives you $71 per month.

You’re a smart buyer. You do a little math in a spreadsheet (or maybe ask your mortgage broker for help) and learn that for an extra $71 a month, you could borrow an additional $14,000 for the same monthly payment. Ah ha! If you pick the neighborhood in Forsyth County, you can buy $14,000 more house. I’m not a realtor, but I’d imagine that’ll get you some more bling on your new pad. Maybe it means the difference between a finished basement versus unfinished.

I know it isn’t as simple as this, every home and neighborhood is different. But I stand by my numbers. Given today’s interest rates and the differences in property taxes, Fulton’s tax represents a present value penalty of about $14,000 on a $300,000 home, or about 4.7%.

What do you think? Am I way off base here? Do you want what I’m smoking? Let me know! And for extra credit… do you think a new Milton County could substantially reduce property tax, down to Forsyth levels? What would that do to home values in north Fulton?

Property Taxes in North Fulton – My Most Boring Topic Ever

Tis the season for property tax! Are you excited? Me too. Most tax bills are due the first of December, plus or minus a few weeks. I thought I would completely bore my readers with a comparison of local property taxes in my reading area. The calculations seem like simple arithmetic but they get much more complicated once you get under the covers. Bust out your slide rule, here we go!

Most folks know the basic formula, which is

40% of Fair Market Value = Assessed Value

Millage Rate times Assessed Value = Tax

It all starts with the county assessor’s office. Strangely enough, the assessor doesn’t directly set your assessed value. Confused yet? The assessor determines your fair market value. This should be somewhat close to your home’s value, but more realistically the number is taken out of thin air. You can dispute this value, but that’s another article.

The general assembly sets the formula for determining assessed value, simply 40% of the market value. State, county and city lawmakers determine various millage rates, which are expressed in dollars per thousand of assessed value. Crafty lawmakers can manipulate your overall tax by fiddling with any of these three variables. And with three variables, it all might seem fairly simple, but oh contraire! Your tax calculation is much more complicated because of…

Homestead Exemptions

Ever go to Kohl’s when they’re having a sale? The price of the shirt you want is jacked up only to be knocked down by the sale discount. I view homestead exemptions like that. It’s especially true in the city of Alpharetta where they have both a higher millage rate and homestead exemption. Their overall tax is inline with their peers. More on that later.

Homestead exemption is enormously popular with voters. It’s available for property with owner occupants, aka the home you live in. There are also exemptions for blue hairs senior citizens and veterans, but I won’t go that deep into the math. The exemption simply knocks dollars off the assessed value of your property. Sounds simple, right? Well not so fast. The highest exemptions typically only apply to things like county and city operating costs. Schools tend to have much lower homestead exemptions, usually $2,000. Taxes going towards bond repayments are not eligible for exemptions. For example… Taxpayers in Alpharetta will see homestead exemptions vary from $35,000 for the city’s taxes, $25,000 for Fulton County, $2,000 for Fulton schools to no exemption for Alpharetta’s bonds. Confused yet? Asleep?

Here’s some raw numbers I put together. Imagine a home valued at $300,000. Let’s plop that guy down in each of north Fulton’s cities, and just for giggles let’s also put it in unincorporated Forsyth and Cherokee counties. After all is said and done with the millage rates and different exemptions, what do the taxes look like? Check out this table.

Property Tax Comparison

City City Millage Rate Total Millage Tax on a $300k Home
Alpharetta 5.75 34.783 $3,731.91
Roswell 5.455 34.488 $3,844.03
Johns Creek 4.614 33.647 $3,673.90
Milton 4.731 33.764 $3,686.19
Mountain Park 11.78 40.813 $4,555.91
Unincorporated Forsyth n/a 24.719 $2,881.32
Unincorporated Cherokee n/a 28.398 $3,344.76

I’ve done my best to estimate these numbers based on information I’ve gathered and from looking at actual tax bills. It is possible I’ve made errors.

A few of my notes about each city…


Alpahretta has an amazingly high $35,000 homestead exemption. Next year it will go to $40,000. Unfortunately that exemption doesn’t apply to their bonds, approx 1.5 mills. The city’s high exemption basically knocks down their slightly higher millage rate.


As best I can tell, Roswell doesn’t offer homestead exemption for owner occupants. They have a handful of options of seniors and vets, but that’s it. Their overall tax suffers as a result.

Johns Creek and Milton

Both cities offer $15,000 in homestead exemptions and have managed to keep their millage rates low since incorporating. Johns Creek bills their city tax through Fulton County in a single bill. They are the only city I mention that does this.

Mountain Park

I mention this tiny city and their stratospheric 11.78 mills only to make an example out of them. Their asinine lawsuit is costing taxpayers dearly. Mountain Park’s overall millage rate is nearly that of the city of Atlanta. They offer only a $4,000 homestead exemption. I’d put up with a lot of lake silt before I paid 11.78 mills.

Fulton County

Fulton’s base millage rate is 29.033. They offer a $25,000 homestead exemption that will go to $30,000 next year.

Unincorporated Forsyth and Cherokee

Forsyth has amazingly cheap property tax. So low is their millage rate that the measly $8,000 homestead exemption they offer isn’t much of a factor. Forsyth also has a sales tax credit cooked into their overall millage rate. Taxpayers get a 2.644 mill reduction. Nice! Fulton offers something similar but is so puny it isn’t worth mentioning.

Cherokee county is also low but not nearly to the extent as Forsyth. I mention these two counties only to show how expensive living in Fulton is relative to its neighbors.

So there you have it. Do you think property taxes are reasonable in north Fulton’s cities? If we were to secede from Fulton, do you think a new Milton County could significantly reduce the 29.033 base millage rate?

Five of Everything

Six years ago there were just two cities in north Fulton; Alpharetta and Roswell (we’ll ignore Mountain Park). They happily existed for a century, slowly annexing land from unincorporated Fulton from time to time.

Yet even though this area is politically conservative and embraces concepts of limited government, we decided to create three new governments out of thin air… and if we had our way, we’d make a forth (Milton County). So if you’re keeping score at home, that’s five cities… five mayors, five city councils, five city managers, five police departments, five fire departments, five zoning boards, five HR managers, five public works departments… you get the idea. Oh but wait, there’s only four IT departments. Congratulations, we’ve saved some money.

There are a handful of agreements between the various cities to share services. Johns Creek and Milton made a bit of news this week when they announced an agreement to share some IT staff. Don’t get me wrong, this is a positive thing and should be encouraged. I just can’t pass up the chance to point out the irony. The AJC’s journalist also couldn’t resist, mentioning it in her article’s very first sentence.

Allow me to wear my hindsight goggles and peer back in time to 2005. Rather than incorporate Sandy Springs, Milton and Johns Creek, why not just allow Roswell and Alpharetta to annex the rest of north Fulton? Sure, Milton and Johns Creek residents wouldn’t have their new identities. On the flip side, the cost savings would have been tremendous. Economies of scale are a beautiful thing.

Before my readers label me as a hater… let me say that I fully supported the political reasons behind the creation of the new cities. I also support the succession plans to create a new Milton County. I just want to point out our own contradiction. We want more cities AND limited government. We’re good at wanting it both ways.

Mountain Park and the Lake Silt Poker Game

I recently played poker with some buddies from work… can’t get the poker analogies out of my head.

Mountain Park, population 500, has a little lake silt problem. Maybe they’ve got a hand to play against the builders next door so here comes the lawsuit. This probably should have ended here with a settlement out of court. But oh no. The betting continues on both sides, with everyone re-raising each other. Before long, Mountain Park has two million bucks in the pot. Let’s see the flop.

Doh, the cards didn’t do their way. Turns out Mountain Park is holding a poor hand. They’re faced with a poker player’s dilemma. Some would say they are pot committed. There’s too much money already in the game for them not to keep calling, spending more and more until the end of the game. On the other hand, you could say their two million is a sunk cost. Any decision to continue from this point on should not take into account the funds already lost. My advice? Fold this hand.

Okay, my poker analogy might not be a good one, but you get the idea. This case has gone on way too long. If Mountain Park continues, they will almost be making an all-in wager against an opponent who is virtually bankrupt (and perhaps judgment-proof). This case is beyond stupid. Not only is this lawsuit absurd, it calls into question this town’s entire reason for being.

The GA 400 Groundhog and Temporary Government Programs

The closest thing to eternal life on earth is a temporary government program.

-Ronald Reagan

I posted this quote as a comment to a blog post by Jim Gilvin. If you’re not familiar with Jim, you should be. I like his blog and twitter posts. And I may not have that Reagan quote exactly right, but you get the idea.

In case you haven’t heard… the GA-400 groundhog woke up today after a long hibernation. He most certainly did see his shadow. Ten more years of tolls on GA-400. Thanks Sonny Perdue. Now I don’t feel so bad about voting for your Libertarian opponent in 2006.

Getting back to the quote… There is no such thing as temporary in government. Red state, blue state, it doesn’t matter. We’re in the reddest part of this very red state and it still doesn’t matter.

I think in reality residents in the northern burbs had already resigned to this fact. The toll wasn’t going to go away. And in the big scheme of things, it isn’t huge. I probably toss my two quarters in there once a month on average. But to residents up here, it is the principle of the matter.

The GA 400 toll reminds me of SPLOST taxes. They are billed as temporary or something the voters have to renew through the ballot box. They pay for important stuff like roads and schools but in reality they often don’t. They can pay for debt on bonds, and those bonds pay for the stuff we want. In the case of GA 400, sure we paid off the bonds, but past governors (Roy Barnes in particular) raided these funds for other projects. Voters can demand that a tax revenue stream cease, but the money for debt servicing still has to come from somewhere. There is no temporary. Cha ching!

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